ARTHUR H. writes:
I have a question about something that really bothers me and makes me feel very threatened and ashamed.
What is it about white women who go after black men?
I live in Chicago, and the stereotype is that black men chase after the white women, but what I see in public is that white women have this stare, this gaze at black men. I am white and have a good job. I am a blonde and blue-eyed athlete. When I pass a white woman walking by, chances are she won’t even look at me because she is already staring at the black man walking behind me. The multiculturalist and feminist advertising has created a really bad mixture in Chicago; it’s in commercials, billboards, on buses, and ads everywhere, even public service announcements. There’s this encouragement and social pressure for people to date interracially, especially the white female and black male pairing. In TV and movies, black men are always hypersexualized and depicted specifically as sexy and always in the presence of white women. The advertising agenda targets toward the younger crowd under 18, but it’s had an influence on the older crowd 18-30 which is my demographic.
Yeah, yeah, I know what you’re going to say: Everyone is different with differing preferences, people tend to marry within their own race, yada yada yada. In this case, it’s okay to make generalizations. Why? Because we are talking about societal trends. We are talking about changes to an entire system of different classes and cultures and sub-cultures who generally share collective attitudes and behavior. That is why I want to ask you this because here is what I see.
I see this as racism and white supremacy. It’s nothing new, it’s just now white women are allowed to do it to ethnic minorities. The only difference is that when white men did it, we were shamed/blamed and seen as the enemy and oppressor. This dichotomy is not applied to the white women who make ethnic minorities into fetishes.
What is it? Do you think it’s racism? Do you think it’s a cultural shift in male beauty standards? Is it a biological attraction that white women have for the darkest and most dominant men? Is it natural selection or what? I tell you what, if you go by genetic quality I am in the top 20% of men. Yet, I still do not get the same attention or affirmation from white women as I see them give toward black men.
It makes me feel ashamed. It makes me feel that these women are denouncing their heritage. That these women are ashamed of their race, the same race and culture handed down from their grandfathers, fathers, to brothers and cousins. Why is this happening? Why is the media perpetuating sexualized racism and white supremacy?
Are white women, in general in modern society, more attracted to black men than white men?
Thank you very much, I really look forward to your response.
I don’t think white women in general are more attracted to black men than white men. No, you are probably seeing more of this rejection than is really there, but I would say many more white women than ever are attracted to black men, judging from the visibility of the phenomenon and the rates of interracial marriage.
Is it all that surprising or mysterious?
Feminism has attacked the virility of white men, not black men. The white male provider keeping his wife in the kitchen is the oppressor, not the black man who never marries or supports women at all. You don’t see feminists up in arms about rap singers who brag about throwing women against the wall. Yes, I do think whites are ashamed of their race and white men probably project less confidence.Multiculturalism has focused endlessly on the failings of white men. Also, in the absence of taboos regarding interracial coupling, that primal virility of the black man makes the white man vanish from view. As you say, advertisers and purveyors of popular culture are thrilled with the white woman and black man couple. It’s transgressive and exciting and gets attention.
These images are unbelievably powerful. It’s not white supremacy so much as the supremacy of those who benefit materially from uninhibited desire and are relentlessly selling it because it’s good for business. It’s the supremacy of money over all human connections, the supremacy of body over soul. There are no institutions in America now that can effectively resist the purveying of endless liberation, which is really a form of enslavement and not liberating at all. Interracial marriages have a much higher rate of break down.
It’s probably true that some white women are viewing black men, whose virility has never been demonized by feminism, as sex objects. Perhaps they are a bit intoxicated. I don’t think it is comparable to white men with black slaves though. Black men are quite free to turn white women down. I assure you, many black women are more angered by this trend than you are.
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Hello, being the daughter of such a rare union I can offer some tips on this issue.
This whole black male/white female “couplings” repeatedly shown on U.S. American adverstiments, commercials, movies and so forth is projection on part of men in the artistic industry. The greatest minds in the arts are men (e.g. painters, movie directors, fashion designers), men tend to have lower attraction floors (as opposed to women, who are on average more hypergamous), hence in the absence of restrictions they are more likely to miscegenate, and this can be seen in various Central-South American countries since they’re full of mixed-raced people. For example, the South African Colored community has white Dutch paternal ancestry, whereas Ethiopians have Arab male paternal ancestry, and Puerto Ricans have white Spanish male paternal ancestry (all three of these large mixed-raced communities had black female ancestry).
In most Spanish-speaking nations, Spanish males impregnated Amerindian females to create Mestizos, whereas the Portuguese males preferred Black females and that explains the high levels of genetic European ancestry in Brazil, since they’re on average quadroon/octoroon (e.g. evidenced by loose wavy hair strands, since black female hair is dry and nappy), but very inbred and not outbred at all (e.g. it’s some men having sex with a lot of women, like polyamorous unions).
In addition, most families and ethnicities frown on black males marrying their daughters. I’ve gotten disapproval and odd looks not just from my own family, but also from English, Italians, French, Germans, Danish, Russians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Middle Easterners, South Asians, East Asians, South-east Asians and other places. Some of the resultant mulatta children (if they’re any, since fertility rates for this relation are below-replacement and usually single mothers birth daughters) are disowned, whereas others aren’t, but most biracial kids from these unions tend to be left wandering out in their mother’s country since they’re usually poor to middle-class and aren’t in the mainstream media (very few of these girls are good-looking super-rich millionaires/billionaires).
The whole “black male/white female” gets a lot of media attention because it’s basically rare/abnormal, low-status, shameful for the family, and the unions typically end up divorce/separated (high levels of domestic violence since the black “community” is quite matriarchal and violence-prone). The biracial daughters sometimes don’t have kids (infertile), whereas others end up having children with a low-class white male (mother’s home country) since they were disowned and don’t have a lot of monetary wealth. Black females also dislike black males veneturing outside of the black community, and don’t want these biracial girls (yellow/brown-skinned) included with them.
I’ve talked to a lot of women from diverse backgrounds, and most of them found different stripes of white European men to be the most attractive (e.g. French, Italian), closely followed by a variety of Asian ethnicities. It’s kind of high-status for them to a have a light-skinned daughter in an arranged marriage, and one can’t have a bright girl with a black-skinned male despite stereotypes (a Middle Eastern woman once mentioned this to me).
How can it be that men are more likely to “miscegenate” than women? After all, they marry women.
How can it be that men are more likely to “miscegenate” than women? After all, they marry women.
That’s generally true in most settings, communities and ethnicities. Both men and women intermarry. or intermate, with people who share common cultural and ethnic features. But the biggest example of miscegenation on earth involves Central-South American countries, where single Spanish males (who didn’t bring their own women with them) explored the New World and left mixed-raced Mestizos/Castizos and Mulattos/Quadroons behind. I’m just pointing out the Spanish example, since I know that the United States of America is being flooded with lower-class illegal (Amerindian) immigrants.
Beverly S. writes:
I met my black man in the mid seventies. I’m sure, now that I look back on the relationship, that I was partially color blind, in that I didn’t much notice that he was black. He was afterall, singing on stage, very handsome, very sexy, and had this mesmerizing rhythm of the dance. On his break he asked me to slow dance. His demeanor was soft, and Sidney Poitier-like, in that he was well spoken and very, very charming.
After the first sexual encounter I was so shaken that I thought I had committed a sin. I was the proverbial innocent little white girl. I had never even spoken to a black person in my middle class life. Our high school had two black people that kept to themselves, and I had absolutely no way of knowing that this relationship might be something I was not at all prepared for.
My wedding had been planned. This was a chance meeting, but ultimately I cancelled my wedding, and left town with the black singer.
It was a four year on-and-off relationship, running away after being beat up, or running back to him after he had convinced me he’d changed. I sunk into behavior that was completely out of my character, looking for ways to fix this man.
He had not been raised by a broken family. He had two parents and lived in a nice area of New York. Still, the cultural differences between us in moral values, family values, and a number of other values in general, were there and were not going away. He had lied, sat on the sofa in my parents living room and asked for my hand in marriage from my father, a blue collar worker all his life and a man of values.
This guy was already married and by the time I found out the truth, I was so deeply in love that I couldn’t turn back.
My parents were convinced I’d lost my mind, but they had never spoken one word at the family dinner table about black people. Not once. We lived in the suburbs and were Catholic, conservative and family oriented….Leave it to Beaver life, dinner on the table at five, in bed by nine.
Yes, this could be any other white entertainer with a famous singing group with low morals, lies and deceit….sure it could. Hey, look at any singer, white or black and come up with the same value system. But whether the violence would be there is another question. This man hated women. One of his closest friends confided that to me after he once punched me in the stomach because I caught him with another woman. I’ve had enough years, enough PHD psychologist friends, and enough analyzing from so many on this, that I really have no answers to the scope of his psychological problems, or whether they were black or white or mixed or what….who knows.
I left when I felt that my life was very possibly in danger. I had also had thoughts of stabbing him while he was dozing off in the bubble bath. I had enough sense to know it was time to leave, and I left pregnant and without anywhere to go. My family had disowned me.
Now, this is the hard part, in that I have to admit the truth. Black men are physically and sexually superior to white men. After leaving this ugly relationship I dated many more black men, all with emotional damage. I didn’t marry until I was forty years old, and I married a white guy, quite like my wonderful dad. ….
I have more than a handful of white girlfriends through the years who have had black relationships. None of which ever worked out in a solid, trustworthy marriage with values.
Recently, my neighbor who was divorced after thirty years of marriage, started dating a black man. Same thing. Sex like she’d never even imagined or experienced in her life, but lousy values and morals.
How does this relate to feminism, or does it at all? Yes, maybe, in that when women broke out with feminism, they went looking for better sex. I remember going to the library and reading Mandingo out of curiosity. I also remember my mother telling me I was white livered…
I remember saying, “What on earth does THAT mean?”
J. Silber writes:
According to an analysis of data collected at the popular online dating service OKCupid, black men are, of all the races, the least attractive to white women–and to women of all other races mentioned as well.
Dating and marriage between black men and white woman occurs largely among the lower classes, and even among them it’s rare. Here’s a link to the OKCupid analysis of their data on race.
Arthur is seeing things that aren’t there.
Hurricane Betsy writes:
Did you read the book about Corinne Hofmann, who could simply not resist a big black Masai, and who gave everything up for him (for awhile anyway)? It is entitled The White Masai.
Here is something that might answer Arthur H’s questions.
Yikes. I have omitted the link.
I was not surprised to read Beverly S’s story. I hope that the ideas of Emanuel McLittle (conservative black man) will add to this discussion and possibly be helpful to Beverly and Arthur, too.
To sum up, Mr. McLittle, a psychological counsellor, says that people pursue interracial relationships and marriages as a way of “disappearing” themselves. He says that this unnatural attitude is brought about by profound unhappiness and disappointment in one’s family of birth. Take it for what it’s worth.
In reply to Hurricane,
I haven’t read the literature that you link to, but what you say about marrying outside of your race fits like a glove regarding my past.
Guilain writes from France:
Charles Baudelaire had noticed that stupidity can be attractive. I believe he was right. A stupid person gives the impression that she has mastery over herself and over life events in general. She never hesitates, she is fearless, and she’s not overwhelmed by her sentiments. Actually that’s because this person never sees more than one possibility in a given situation, does not anticipate the likely results of her actions and has few or no sentiments. Yet some people are easily deceived by that apparent mastery and conclude that they are in presence of a superior being.
In my opinion, saying that white women are attracted to black men is not accurate. To be precise, one should say that some white women are attracted to black men who received a BMW (and many other things) from white men. I doubt they would still be attracted to them if black men were driving their own vehicles.
I think I can understand one of the reasons why white women “try” the black male. I believe they are desperate (unconsciously so) and that the black male, because he is exotic, represents their last hope. They’ve tried everything, they are profoundly bored and fed up with everything they know, so it is understandable that they end up trying something new and different: the black male.
A reader writes:
Upon reading the testimonial of Beverly S, I can say that on some level I feel bad for her as a confused, innocent young girl that was. But more than anything I feel bad for her poor husband. He truly received heavily damaged goods, the poor man. Beverly deserves to live alone with cats, but instead she gets a husband. No doubt she doesn’t appreciate him and does not show him femininity; that is reserved only for scum. Beverly S. was the recent past, the present and the future of 80-90% of American womanhood.
Sept. 22, 2014
First of all, I feel pity for anyone involved in today’s dating game in the Western world, especially men. You have it very difficult and your pool of appropriate marriage partners is very slim. But I would like to bring up a concept I’ve read on other blogs, in particular Zippy Catholic and Things that We Have Heard and Known (Cane Caldo). That concept is that, in general, women follow men. It is not necessarily that women love bad boys, and that men change to become bad boys, but that men love bad boys and women emulate men in their love of bad boys.
Personally, I don’t think this explains everything, as the very first sin committed by woman was her desire for what a bad boy whispered in her ear. But I do think it is a helpful concept. For instance, I could ask, “Are white men intoxicated by black men taking white women?” Based on the popular tastes found in pornography, I might answer with an enthusiastic yes. Not that I care to look on any of these sites or for any additional statistics than what is already in my head, but I’m sure that on your own you can find that this is a popular pairing which white men enjoy.
Why? I suppose because white masculinity is in the process of being thoroughly emasculated by cultural elites. White men masochistically enjoy their women being despoiled by black men. It logically follows from white men masochistically enjoying their women being despoiled in general (first by other, more virile white men). The more depraved racial despoiling follows from the original despoiling (the mockery of marriage made by pornography and fornication). And the weaker sex follows the trend of wanting this despoiling to happen.
As a young man who has on occasion struggled to deal with the relentless demonization of us in the media, I would have to agree with the diagnosis made by Marissa. The pornography industry is full of interracial scenes where the racial ‘humiliation’ is laid on very heavy. Who is watching/paying for this? I presume significant numbers of them must be white males.
Who is creating and funding the ads we see on billboards? I can’t believe the top ad agencies are not full of white males.
I think a lesson we ought to take from this is that ultimately blaming other races, or being overly concerned with what they are up to betrays insecurity. We have done this to ourselves. Are the porn/ad agencies/government evil? Yes, of course they are but we still have a choice as to whether we will let them determine our masculinity. After all, what kind of men are we if allow these low grade insults depress and defeat us? Courage and dignity cannot be taken from us, they can only be given away.
It seems to me that with blogs like these and other campaigns like the ‘Network for Enlightened Women’ starting up on campuses there are women trying to stand up for us. It is time we took on more of the slack.
Thank you for your comments.
I am no expert on pornographic trends, but I am almost certain that many black men are major consumers of pornography and favor images of black men with white females. Do white men in general enjoy pornographic or mainstream images of the black male/white female couple? I think not. I think it is quite the opposite, but at the same time I am sure there is a prurient interest in it by some. In any event, the pornography industry and advertising in general are in the business of titillation so it makes sense that what is more abnormal is often on display. As I said in my original comments, advertisers are deliberately pushing the black male/white female couple because it’s transgressive and gets attention. But there’s more to it than that.
Do white men masochistically enjoy their women being despoiled by black men?
Wow, I don’t think normal white men do at all. I actually think it makes them angry, as it makes Arthur angry. I am fairly confident that many white men are upset by the glorification of the black man/white woman couple, just as it makes many normal people angry to see homosexual couples used in advertising. Normal people have no power at all over the media. Yes, it’s true that they don’t raise an outcry often over the transgressive things that are sold to them, and then become accustomed to and somewhat accepting of those things, but that’s because they are truly the victims of psychological warfare. The frenetic pace of modern life and the overwhelming sophistication and pervasiveness of the media do not make resistance easy at all.
I entirely agree with Marissa when she says that white men are being thoroughly emasculated by our cultural elites and this phenomenon of promoting interracial couples is part of that trend and flows inescapably from the principles of revolution against the white man and his civilization.
I think a lesson we ought to take from this is that ultimately blaming other races, or being overly concerned with what they are up to betrays insecurity. We have done this to ourselves.
Agreed, though in fairness, I don’t think I have ever approached this issue or other racial issues with the idea of “blaming other races.” Whites control the media and the government. It is largely their principles that are at issue.
I’ve given some thoughts to the fact that a massive amount of pornographic material involves black men and white women.
Personally the view of such images fills me with disgust and anger. So I have a hard time imagining that there is more than a very small minority of white perverts who enjoy them.
There is supply for one reason, if the demand does not come from whites, then it must come from blacks. But I find it surprising that greedy pornographers target so much a demographic (black men) that is particularly poor. It could be that black men spend a disproportionate amount of their “income” on porn. It would explain that they are seen as good clients despite their poverty.
My last hypothesis is that interracial pornography is not lucrative but exists for another reason. Maybe pornographers enjoy it, maybe they like the idea of white “Christian” women despoiled by blacks. Someone who believes the porn industry is “full of white men” cannot fully understand that. I don’t know if the following article has ever been brought to your attention before, but it suggests that describing pornographers as white men is not precise enough. To make it short, the author, who is a Jewish professor in Wales, brags about the major role played by Jews in the pornographic industry all along its existence.